And from Burgess: "Can be used to signify either any chess piece, or a major or minor piece, as opposed to a pawn. Isn't the word difficult if one of the 'Chessmen' is a women, the Queen? SunCreator ( talk) 00:30, 9 April 2008 (UTC) Reply "Piece" as both meanings, see Chess terminology#Piece. Maybe it's old fashioned now but it's what I was taught! Pawnkingthree ( talk) 22:49, 8 April 2008 (UTC) Reply Can't say I've used the word 'Chessmen' but have read it. If pieces and pawns are referred to then the term is " chessmen", or just "men". To me it's always been clear- a "piece" refers to either knight, bishop, rook, queen or king, but not pawns. SunCreator ( talk) 18:46, 8 April 2008 (UTC) Reply I'm not aware of two different meanings. However more confusion comes because in the final position White giving mate has a total of four pieces (two knights, a bishop and a King) and ten pieces (two knights, a bishop, a King and 6 pawns). The lead is okay, because it's talking about checkmating - this is the context and that is done with exactly three pieces. pieces = all pieces K, Q, R, B, N, P or and confusingly a collection of piece being pieces.
Later it says White has been able to use his remaining pieces - two knights and a bishop - to force mate. But is there a better way to do it? Perhaps a short article that explains the two different contexts that can be linked to, or maybe expand the Chess Terms one a little? Bubba73 (talk), 18:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC) Reply It a good question and highly confusing even when English is not your second language! It says in the Immortal game LEAD "He gives up both rooks and then his queen, checkmating his opponent with his three remaining pieces". It is in List of chess terms#Piece, and we can link to that. For instance, see the talk page of Immortal game, "What is a piece?" section. This is especially important in articles that non-chessplayers are likely to read. We need to say something about the two different meanings of "piece", depending on the context. Pawnkingthree ( talk) 09:13, 8 April 2008 (UTC) Reply What is a piece? They should definitely be mentioned in the Templates section of this project page as they're very useful. Quale ( talk) 05:43, 8 April 2008 (UTC) Reply I wasn't aware of the existence of either of those templates. I think we should consider creating a template for as well. This is an excellent example of why it is better to use Template:fide and Template:chessgames player rather than hard-coding those external links into the page.
The template is very simple, so just about anyone can make this kind of fix if needed.
#Hexcells plus level 11 update
Bubba73 (talk), 05:04, 8 April 2008 (UTC) Reply I fixed Template:fide so that it works again, but I wouldn't be surprised if FIDE makes more changes to their website so that we need to update the template once more, possibly even to use as before. Has been changed, and it appears that now you have to link to instead of for player ratings.